Giant road test #1967 #BMW-2000CS
vs. #1970 #Peugeot-504-Coupe
BMW 2000 CS Number built 8,883 – Years 1965-1969
Peugeot 504 Coupé Number built 20,547 (only 4-cylindres engined cars) Years 1969-1983
In the mid-1960s, #BMW
looking to rejuvenate their image. German Launches New Class sedans, the French, the 204 and the 504. While attractive models, but a classic strand. Hence the idea to decline in cut ... by Pierre-Louis and Jerome Champeaux Fombelle
Take two sedans wise appearance, Graft them a much more flattering body, and you get more opulent vehicles inexpensively. This simple recipe is used by the CS 2000 as the 504 Coupe. The first chopping is German in 1965, using as its basis 1500/1800 sedans. Peugeot expects four years to its new 504, then representing the high-end brand. For this comparison, we chose driven versions with 4-cylinder 2.0 of mass, associated with 4-speed manual gearboxes.
Noble lovers will be disappointed, others will benefit from proven engines, easy to use and maintain. For, to buy and to use the tariff cut our pretensions are much lower than their 6-cylinder engine with variations. An excellent reason to be interested in the models today in the shadow. Where our rivals oppose the day, it's stylish side. A matter of taste, you say. Luckily, Jerome and Pierre-Louis rarely agree on this point as on many others. The first will carry the colours of the propeller, the second those of Leo. A duel shoulder to shoulder we invite you to discover now.
The propeller in contention
In the 1960s, BMW, beset by financial difficulties, decided to explore a niche still scorned by competition, upscale environment. It is in this context that in 1961 the saloon was born in 1500 inaugurating the shark's nose, which will remain in vogue several decades. Four years later, the brand with the propeller draws a sportier version, under the aspect of an affordable cut. Thus appear the 2000 C and 2000 CS, powered by 4-cylinder #BMW-M10
engine worn for the occasion in 1990cc. One only has hundred small horses, the second force-fed by two carburettors body double, develops an output of 120 hp. The latter seems more appropriate to me to face my opponent. A little side benefit performance will not be superfluous, as it is true that before his eyes "slanted" do not unanimous, especially among journalists questionable aesthetic taste like Pierre-Louis.
However, the line inspired by the Bertone design for CS 3200 is rather successful. The absence of central upright glass area offers impressive and inimitable style, very different from that of the sedan.
On board, the same struggle: the cap that houses the four round dials, wood veneer dashboard and door interiors have nothing to do with the other BMW products. This CS coupe is a car apart, which is absolutely not the case of Peugeot. Thanks to Dominique, who had already given me his 2800 CS coupe, here I am on the road, in the rain, to re-join the friend Pierre-Louis and his Peugeot declawed. The few kilometres of highway will swallow a senator train.
Without fifth report, the engine speed exceeds 3000rpm to reach 110kmh, but the sound is far from deafening. The small 2-liter is not the extension of the large 6-cylinder which will come under the hood of the CS 2800 in 1968, but the times are free and I still have to watch my speed so as not to find myself outside the law . It is on the winding road that follows that the motor admit his faults. He demonstrated an impressive couple, but the regime is not taking his forte. Fortunately, the intake noise generated by the two carburettors #Solex
40 PHH body double is pretty rewarding. Thanks to them, no risk of breaking a found injection pump belt ("Is not it, Pierre-Louis?").
Also in the axis
The chassis of behaviour is, meanwhile, perfect. Stable whatever the road conditions, considerate and although slowed by effective brakes, cut Behême is also nice elbow to the door that the knife between the teeth. The rather firm suspension allows good catches curve without the need to seek to catch a train back escaping ... at least in dry weather! But the best thing is to enjoy the ride. The seats, although lacking headrest, are comfortable, both front and rear. The cabin offers a beautiful space for four passengers and a trunk large enough to cram more baggage than necessary. If you want a bourgeois cut at sporting trend, he is you.
"We like the engine torque, the rigor of the chassis, the overall comfort."
"We do not like the vision in the mirrors mounted on the wings, the scarcity of body parts."
Owner: Dominique After a coupe CS 2800, I became addicted to the brand to the propeller. So it is impossible not to fall for this coupe 2000 CS with few miles. A first hand barely used, not restored in its original paint and in very good condition, it's a bit the holy grail of the collector, right? "
Addicted to Behême
With 419-litres according to our measurements, the boot capacity of the German is more important than the 504. Its generous height allows to cram large suitcases there.
BMW 2000 CS party at € 6,500 / 1967
THE TECHNICAL DATA
Engine 4 cylinders, inline, 8-valves
Fiscal power 11 CV
Maximum power 120 hp at 5600rpm DIN
Torque 167 Nm at 3500rpm DIN
Food 2 double body Solex 40 PHH
Transmission For rear wheels drive, 4-speed manual gearbox
Brakes front discs / rear drums
175 HR 14 tires
Dimensions L x W x H 4.53 x 1.67 x 1.36 m
Weight 1,200 kg
Maximum speed 185 kmh
Acceleration D. A. 1000 m 32.3 s
Fuel consumption average – n/a
Tank 55 litres
TO KNOW MORE
Read Book [in English]
• BMW Classic Coupes 1965-1989, James Taylor,
The Crowood Press Ltd Websites
GPs and forums
block is reliable and robust. Starting and idling are unperturbed. A rare thing for engines powered by two dual carburettor body.
Specific to cut the dashboard mid-luxury mid-Sport combines wood finish and battery meter. In the centre, behind the shifter, two buttons control electric rear windows.
Quiet, the lioness
Criticized its launch in 1969 for its lack of range, the 504 Coupé swapped in the fall following its 1.8 against a 90 bhp 2.0 (also injection) developing 104 hp. Without becoming a sport, the Sochaux gets a muscle more to do with her dress. The latter, due to the master Pininfarina, made easily forget the somewhat clumsy line sedan. Especially as our star of the day out in September 1970, the plastic is not yet come to spoil the party. And lights (front double, triple rear), typical of phases 1 (read before 1975), giving it a strong personality. Faced with these-pillars and thin windshield, to the elegance of the bodywork, the ineffable Jerome and his glassy eyes can Behême to go get dressed. I prefer to give up this pair of bumbling elephants to his fate, and am going with my lioness reap the laurels of victory ...
The flexibility of a cat behind a steering wheel a little less bias than in a 404 (Sochaux appreciate the faithful), which improves the driving position, I quickly found my bearings. Only default, the upper anchorage belts before is too low. You have to contort to capture and, once attached, they rely on the shoulder. Neiman left, I turn the key ("Francis is already in what sense ???") and the "four-legged" soars with discretion. Despite a few technical details footprint nobility, this 1971 cm3 captivated from the outset by its flexibility. Able to resume as soon 2000rpm without a hiccup, it allows to move with ease in the current circulation. If the weight of his leadership at a standstill and gear knob, which appears to be mounted upside down, had me a little aback, the 504 shows sufficient docile to quickly put me at ease. In addition, visibility is excellent simply, and 360°. In sum, this is an old car easy to handle even for a novice driver. She did not forget the passengers, the comfort offered by the seats and suspension are kind of cozy.
A shy roar
Whether alone or with family, the 504 Coupé 2.0 excels in the ride registry. It is even possible to go on a long journey without fear, model reliability reputation is well established. Its chassis reassures, calms her conduct, her full loving which seduces (power windows, tachometer and serial centre console). But I must admit that sportsmanship is not his main quality. Certainly there is a propulsion. Nevertheless, and despite the good will of the engine, the car is not exactly a thrill machine. Behind a comely line, the 504 Coupé is primarily a 504. Robust, welcoming, engaging, it remains a friendly marathon, but is surely not a sprinter.
"We do not like his leadership without assistance, character (too) placid. "
"We do not like his leadership without assistance, character (too) placid. "
"We love his line, his behavior, his comfort. "
Owner: Francis I wanted another ...
Initially, I coveted a Alpine A110 1600S, but its owner would not part with it. In this plan, he asked that pro 504 Coupé. Over time, what was for me a fallback became a faithful companion, that I would give up for anything. Equipped with a phase within three (after 1979), it had a restoration of his body in 2000. Today it has exceeded 230,000 km and still works as well. "
The high threshold perched proves somewhat annoying, but trunk space is more than enough to consider a romantic getaway.
Peugeot 504 Coupe From € 3500 1970
THE TECHNICAL DATA
Engine 4 cylinders inline water cooled, 8-valves
Fiscal power 11 CV
Maximum power 104 hp at 5200rpm DIN
Couple 164.8 Nm at 3000rpm DIN
Injection Kugelfischer Food
Transmission For rear wheels drive, 4-speed manual all synchromesh
Brakes front / rear discs / Drives
175 HR 14 tires
Dimensions L x W x H 4.36 x 1.70 x 1.36 m
Weight 1,220 kg
Maximum speed 179 km / h
Acceleration D. A. 1000 m 32.9 s
Consumption average 10-litres / 100 km
Fuel tank 56 litres
Safe 310 litres
FOR MORE INFORMATION Books
• The Peugeot 504 my father, François Allain, ETAI
• The Peugeot 504 sedan good days, Xavier Chauvin, ETAI
• Auto Collection No. 52, Auto Passion
• RTA No. 285, Peugeot 504,
injection engines, ETAI
• RTA Peugeot 504 Ti and injection (occasions our 285, 301 and 330), ETAI
Nice steering wheel, tachometer series, it does not need more to turn the dashboard of 504. Here, velvet upholstery from a Phase 3 (1979-1983).
Offered on vintages 1971 to 1974, the two litres will return for the 1978 vintage with a gearbox 5-speed.
From very different origins, these fine cut are found close to use, reliable and very civil. They deserved two testers forged from the same metal for the tie. Too bad, we do not find one! Jerome abandoned the Lion - which he treated the claws during his career mechanic - to defend the Propeller, the most represented brand in his garage. As for Pierre-Louis, who is crying - it rains as much in his native Britain - to find no marked equivalent Chevrons, he wears the colours of cousin Sochaux. Which has the last word?
A stroll, our two testers in the back, can appreciate the comfort of cars. Since a large cut that respects itself must be welcoming for four. Headroom does not play in favour of BMW. But there's a little more room for knees and a centre armrest. As for the soft seat of the Peugeot, it promises its passengers on long trips without lumbago, and even good naps.
COST OF PURCHASE / SERVICE Advantage 504 Coupe
Buy a high quality cut, that's good. But proper care is better. Especially as he is called to swallow kilometres. A look in ads and a walk in the pros are needed to the current situation of the market. The tuners are both reliable. And side parts tariff is white and half a dozen, even if sometimes you get out of the Hexagon to equip the BMW. The latter pay dearly for their body parts, for rare elsewhere when the purchase price is already more than double that of the Peugeot.
Ten cents, okay? Pierre-Louis
You can do the bottom of your pockets, I have a wing to change? Jerome
PERFORMANCE CS Advantage 2000
The sporty coupe requires that it be motorized even in its entry-level configuration, here with a 4-cylinder. First engaged, it's time to talk about the powder. On your mark ... With 77 kg less and 16bhp more, the 2000 CS logically takes the advantage over any terrain acceleration as maximum speed.
Straddling the Rhine
Both coupes represent what each manufacturer does best. And they are good at the same things! Peugeot turned to Pininfarina to coat in fine style its indestructible engine. At BMW, it is the home designers, inspired by the 3200 CS Bertone, which offer brilliant 4-cylinder line worthy of the dress. So on some adjustments that differentiate these elegant cars. When looking for a BMW sport inspiration, Peugeot is seen in more bourgeois. And you ? You are more chic or casual jogging suit?
Rates mechanical parts are equal. But the body components of the CS 2000, no abundant, cost almost ten times the price those of the 504. A tip, do not hesitate to to hand the portfolio for 2000 CS whose body is in good condition.
PARTS 2000 SC 504 Coupe
Filters (air, fuel and oil) € 43 and € 44 candles
Accessory belt € 11 € 8
Discs + brake pads front € 350 € 125 + Trim wheel cylinders AR 100 € 142 € **
Shock AV / AR € 850 € 276
Silencer € 115 € 105
Distribution Kit Chain
Clutch Kit € 300 € 172
Headlight € 40 € 124
Taillight NC € 25
Tyres (x 2) € 120 € 108
* Average prices recorded on Cipere.fr, Oscaro.com, Série04.com,
Wallothnesh.com and on Allopneus.com and Rezulteo-pneu.fr
** Records + Rear brake pads.
COAST 2000 504 CS Coupé
To restore € 2,700 € 1,300
Revise € 6,500 € 3,500
Ready to roll € 10,000 € 4,800
To restore: Can not take the road without any major preparatory work.
Revise: smallest possible path, but called into necessary state.
Ready to roll: the car is capable of traveling 1,000 km without worry.
INSURANCE 2000 CS 504 Coupe
Normal third € 215 € 222
All normal risks * € 363 € 342
Former third € 41 € 41
Former All Risk * € 131 € 91
Profile: annual bonus, 45 year old male living in Orleans, 50% bonus.
* With theft and fire.
Future investment 13/20 14/20
Daily 16/20 16/20
Parts availability 12/20 14/20
2000 CS 504 Cup